Commons:Deletion requests/File:Rudolf Creutz.jpg

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File:Rudolf Creutz.jpg

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No authorship information, unknown copyright situation. No indication that the author would have died before 1948. No explanation why this picture of a German person, taken in Germany, would be a US government work. Jcb (talk) 14:40, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

authorship information: a member of US Army. Public Relations Photo Section Office Chief Counsel for War Crimes
No indication that the author would have died before 1948: This image is a work of a U.S. Army soldier or employee, taken or made as part of that person's official duties. As a work of the U.S. federal government, the image is in the public domain., see Licence
Photo was taken at the Nuremberg Trials - Creutz was a Defendant --Schreiben (talk) 14:49, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Please provide evidence for your assumption that this would be a US Army work. The trials were not held by the US, they only took part in them. Jcb (talk) 14:53, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
https://photos.yadvashem.org/photo-details.html?language=en&item_id=37535&ind=0, see source --Schreiben (talk) 14:55, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This is an indirect source. If this is an official picture from the trials, what it seems to be, then the US government is not the author. Jcb (talk) 15:27, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Wieso indirekt? Verstehe ich nicht, das ist die bei Yad Vashem direkt angegebene Quelle. --Schreiben (talk) 15:44, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This source claim cannot be verified and is highly unlikely, because - again - the trials were not held by the US government. Jcb (talk) 21:25, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Die Quelle ist aber bei Yad Vashem angegeben und das ist eine durchaus seriöse Institution. Oder möchtest du das bestreiten? Darüber hinaus machten ja auch amerikanische Militärfotografen während der Nürnberger Prozesse Aufnahmen, auch wenn diese Prozesse von den Alliierten abgehalten wurden. --Schreiben (talk) 10:47, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The RuSHA case - as all the other 11 cases ("Nürnberger Nachfolgeprozesse" - subsequent Nurmeberg trials) - was held before an exclusively U.S. military court. Processing of defendants, imprisonment, security and detention were provided exclusively by the U.S. Army as well. Please see Green series, Vol. IV, pg. 597 onwards, you don't have to take my word for it. Possibly user Jcb confuses this case with the main Nuremberg trial before an Allied Court on account of the same location. Coming back to the twelf subseqeunt Nuremberg trials ("Nachfolgeprozesse"), and hence the RuSHA case, this picture was undoubtedly taken U.S. army photographers during processing of prisoners / defendants, as were all the other mugshots in Defendants in the Nuremberg Trials. Should these pictures all be deleted, because we do not know the names of the individual photographers working for the U.S. army? It stretches credulity to assume that more than 100 defendants, who were in high secutity military prison at the time, would all have posed for mugshots by unkown private photographers, holding boards with their names written on it, all in the same pose and lighting. Please close this deletion request, its argument lacks merit. Thank you. --Minderbinder (talk) 11:40, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: per User:Minderbinder. US authorship is more than credible. P 1 9 9  ✉ 17:27, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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