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:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''delete''', we do not usually categorize people by skin color, per [[WP:ETHNICRACECAT]], so we shouldn't do that for fictional characters either. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 21:35, 14 December 2023 (UTC) |
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::'''Delete''' per nom. The [[:Category:Fictional black people by medium]] and its immediate descendants should have been bundled with this one. –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 22:09, 14 December 2023 (UTC) |
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:::'''Support in principle,''' but most of these characters are people of african ancestry, which is defining. So I think we should '''rename''' and purge the categories. [[User:Smasongarrison|Mason]] ([[User talk:Smasongarrison|talk]]) 23:29, 14 December 2023 (UTC) |
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* Per above comment, see below. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 22:23, 14 December 2023 (UTC) |
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::'''Delete''' all these categories per Marco. Especially because I don't think we categorize individual real-life people as being "black", nor are there any counterpart categories for fictional brown people or white people either. Plus, this category also lumps together people of black African descent along with unrelated indigenous Australians and Papuans. [[User:AHI-3000|AHI-3000]] ([[User talk:AHI-3000|talk]]) 01:48, 16 December 2023 (UTC) |
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:::Another possible proposal: '''rename''' this category to something along the lines of "[[:Category:Fictional people of African descent]]", and remove the subcategories for Australian and Papuan characters from it. [[User:AHI-3000|AHI-3000]] ([[User talk:AHI-3000|talk]]) 01:54, 16 December 2023 (UTC) |
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:::I would also support '''renaming''' to "people of African descent" (as an alternative to my Keep vote below), as most of the objections to the categories here hinge specifically on the wording "black people". [[User:Phediuk|Phediuk]] ([[User talk:Phediuk|talk]]) 12:49, 16 December 2023 (UTC) |
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:: '''Keep'''. Whether or not this is a way that Wikipedia categorizes real people is not my concern here; I am focused solely on whether the topic of ''fictional'' black characters receives persistent, dedicated coverage from RSes, which is the foremost basis of any category's validity. Looking at just one subset of these categories, black video game characters, the answer is yes, and therefore, the categories should stay. Here are some examples from the first couple of pages of a Google search. I include only those articles that explicitly refer to black people or blackness in their titles: |
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::* ''[[Wired (magazine)|Wired]]'' (2021): [https://www.wired.com/story/black-character-history-video-games/ Coding Blackness: A History of Black Video Game Characters] |
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::* ''[[Allure (magazine)|Allure]]'' (2023): [https://www.allure.com/story/black-video-game-designers-producers-actors Black Video Game Characters Are Finally Starting to Accurately Represent the Culture] |
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::* ''[[The New York Times]]'' (2022): [https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/17/crosswords/video-games-black-characters.html Behind the Movement to Create More Black Video Game Characters] |
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::* ''[[Bloomberg]]'' (2021): [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2021-09-17/video-games-are-slowly-opening-up-to-more-black-characters Video Games Are Slowly Opening Up to More Black Characters] |
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::* ''[[Yahoo! News]]'' (2022): [https://news.yahoo.com/national-video-game-day-5-110000297.html National Video Game Day: 5 Of Our Favorite Black Characters] |
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::* ''[[Complex (magazine)|Complex]]'' (2012): [https://www.complex.com/pop-culture/a/larry-hester/the-10-best-black-characters-in-video-games The 10 Best Black Characters In Video Games] |
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::* ''[[Vice (magazine)|Vice]]'' (2016): [https://www.vice.com/en/article/78kv5x/black-video-game-characters-are-still-often-voiced-by-white-actors-uncharted-4-nadine-ross Black Video Game Characters Are Still Often Voiced by White Actors] |
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::* ''[[WhatCulture]]'' (2020): [https://whatculture.com/gaming/10-greatest-black-characters-in-video-games 10 Greatest Black Characters In Video Games] |
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::* ''[[Eurogamer]]'' (2018): [https://www.eurogamer.net/the-state-of-blackness-in-games The state of blackness in games] |
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::* ''[[GamesRadar]]'' (2020): [https://www.gamesradar.com/we-need-to-see-black-female-characters-promoted-from-supporting-characters-to-starring-protagonists-in-video-games/ We need to see black female characters promoted from supporting characters to starring protagonists in video games] |
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::The scholarly literature also turns up a spate of articles on portrayals of black people in video games. These are all from the first couple of pages of a Google Scholar search, and, again, I limited this selection solely to those articles that explicitly used the word "black" in a racial context in their titles: |
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::* ''Sociation'' (2023): [https://sociation.ncsociologyassoc.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/gamifyingblackness_proof-1-1.pdf Gamifying Blackness: A Discussion on Black Gamers and Black Portrayals in Contemporary Videogames] |
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::* ''Simulation & Gaming'' (2013): [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1046878112449958 Influence of Black Masculinity Game Exemplars on Social Judgments] |
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::* ''Velvet Light Trap'' (2018): [https://go.gale.com/ps/i.do?id=GALE%7CA532022898&sid=googleScholar&v=2.1&it=r&linkaccess=abs&issn=01491830&p=AONE&sw=w&userGroupName=anon%7E79064bdd&aty=open-web-entry Power in the Visual: Examining Narratives of Controlling Black Bodies in Contemporary Gaming] |
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::* ''Intelligent Agent'' (2004): [http://www.intelligentagent.com/archive/Vol4_No4_gaming_leonard.htm High Tech Blackface -- Race, Sports Video Games and Becoming the Other] |
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::* ''Review of Education, Pedagogy, and Cultural Studies'' (2006): [https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10714410600552902 White Thumbs, Black Bodies: Race, Violence, and Neoliberal Fantasies in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas] |
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::* ''Humanities'' (2020): [https://www.mdpi.com/2076-0787/9/4/145 Black Egyptians and White Greeks?: Historical Speculation and Racecraft in the Video Game Assassin’s Creed: Origins] |
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::* ''Interactions'' (2023): [https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/3610968 Designing Black Children in Video Games] |
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::Since black people in video games is a persistent topic of dedicated coverage from reliable sources, both mainstream and scholarly, a category is appropriate. [[User:Phediuk|Phediuk]] ([[User talk:Phediuk|talk]]) 16:03, 15 December 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' this and all subcategories per [[WP:ETHNICRACECAT]]. [[User:Doczilla|<span style="color:green;font-weight:bold;font-size:medium;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;">Doczilla</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Doczilla|<small>''Ohhhhhh, no!''</small>]]</sub> 07:39, 22 December 2023 (UTC) |
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::'''Reply'''. If the sole objection to the category is the use of "black" rather than "African descent", then the categories can simply be renamed and any irrelevant examples purged. Per [[WP:ETHNICRACECAT]], "Ethnic groups are commonly used when categorizing people; however, race is not. Ethnic groups may be used as categorizations, even if race is a stereotypical characteristic of the ethnic group, e.g. with African-Americans or Anglo-Indians." The vast majority of the entries in all of these categories refer to people of African descent, so they can easily be adjusted to conform to Wikipedia's guidelines. [[User:Phediuk|Phediuk]] ([[User talk:Phediuk|talk]]) 14:14, 22 December 2023 (UTC) |
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::'''Rename''' this category to [[:Category:Fictional people of African descent]], then remove any subcategories or pages that are not about characters with African ancestry (such as indigenous Australian or Papuan people). [[User:AHI-3000|AHI-3000]] ([[User talk:AHI-3000|talk]]) 06:30, 25 December 2023 (UTC) |
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==== Category:Philately of Mandatory Palestine ==== |
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:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Philately of Mandatory Palestine]] to [[:Category:Philately of Palestine]] |
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Philately of Mandatory Palestine]] to [[:Category:Philately of Palestine]] |
Revision as of 16:04, 30 December 2023
December 30
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Category:Fictional black people
- Nominator's rationale: delete, we do not usually categorize people by skin color, per WP:ETHNICRACECAT, so we shouldn't do that for fictional characters either. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:35, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The Category:Fictional black people by medium and its immediate descendants should have been bundled with this one. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:09, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
- Support in principle, but most of these characters are people of african ancestry, which is defining. So I think we should rename and purge the categories. Mason (talk) 23:29, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The Category:Fictional black people by medium and its immediate descendants should have been bundled with this one. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:09, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
- Per above comment, see below. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:23, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Fictional black people by medium (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Black characters in animation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Black people in comics (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Black characters in films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Black people in television (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Black characters in video games (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Video games featuring black protagonists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Delete all these categories per Marco. Especially because I don't think we categorize individual real-life people as being "black", nor are there any counterpart categories for fictional brown people or white people either. Plus, this category also lumps together people of black African descent along with unrelated indigenous Australians and Papuans. AHI-3000 (talk) 01:48, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
- Another possible proposal: rename this category to something along the lines of "Category:Fictional people of African descent", and remove the subcategories for Australian and Papuan characters from it. AHI-3000 (talk) 01:54, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
- I would also support renaming to "people of African descent" (as an alternative to my Keep vote below), as most of the objections to the categories here hinge specifically on the wording "black people". Phediuk (talk) 12:49, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. Whether or not this is a way that Wikipedia categorizes real people is not my concern here; I am focused solely on whether the topic of fictional black characters receives persistent, dedicated coverage from RSes, which is the foremost basis of any category's validity. Looking at just one subset of these categories, black video game characters, the answer is yes, and therefore, the categories should stay. Here are some examples from the first couple of pages of a Google search. I include only those articles that explicitly refer to black people or blackness in their titles:
- Wired (2021): Coding Blackness: A History of Black Video Game Characters
- Allure (2023): Black Video Game Characters Are Finally Starting to Accurately Represent the Culture
- The New York Times (2022): Behind the Movement to Create More Black Video Game Characters
- Bloomberg (2021): Video Games Are Slowly Opening Up to More Black Characters
- Yahoo! News (2022): National Video Game Day: 5 Of Our Favorite Black Characters
- Complex (2012): The 10 Best Black Characters In Video Games
- Vice (2016): Black Video Game Characters Are Still Often Voiced by White Actors
- WhatCulture (2020): 10 Greatest Black Characters In Video Games
- Eurogamer (2018): The state of blackness in games
- GamesRadar (2020): We need to see black female characters promoted from supporting characters to starring protagonists in video games
- The scholarly literature also turns up a spate of articles on portrayals of black people in video games. These are all from the first couple of pages of a Google Scholar search, and, again, I limited this selection solely to those articles that explicitly used the word "black" in a racial context in their titles:
- Sociation (2023): Gamifying Blackness: A Discussion on Black Gamers and Black Portrayals in Contemporary Videogames
- Simulation & Gaming (2013): Influence of Black Masculinity Game Exemplars on Social Judgments
- Velvet Light Trap (2018): Power in the Visual: Examining Narratives of Controlling Black Bodies in Contemporary Gaming
- Intelligent Agent (2004): High Tech Blackface -- Race, Sports Video Games and Becoming the Other
- Review of Education, Pedagogy, and Cultural Studies (2006): White Thumbs, Black Bodies: Race, Violence, and Neoliberal Fantasies in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
- Humanities (2020): Black Egyptians and White Greeks?: Historical Speculation and Racecraft in the Video Game Assassin’s Creed: Origins
- Interactions (2023): Designing Black Children in Video Games
- Since black people in video games is a persistent topic of dedicated coverage from reliable sources, both mainstream and scholarly, a category is appropriate. Phediuk (talk) 16:03, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
- The scholarly literature also turns up a spate of articles on portrayals of black people in video games. These are all from the first couple of pages of a Google Scholar search, and, again, I limited this selection solely to those articles that explicitly used the word "black" in a racial context in their titles:
- Delete this and all subcategories per WP:ETHNICRACECAT. Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 07:39, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Reply. If the sole objection to the category is the use of "black" rather than "African descent", then the categories can simply be renamed and any irrelevant examples purged. Per WP:ETHNICRACECAT, "Ethnic groups are commonly used when categorizing people; however, race is not. Ethnic groups may be used as categorizations, even if race is a stereotypical characteristic of the ethnic group, e.g. with African-Americans or Anglo-Indians." The vast majority of the entries in all of these categories refer to people of African descent, so they can easily be adjusted to conform to Wikipedia's guidelines. Phediuk (talk) 14:14, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 10:47, 22 December 2023 (UTC)- Rename this category to Category:Fictional people of African descent, then remove any subcategories or pages that are not about characters with African ancestry (such as indigenous Australian or Papuan people). AHI-3000 (talk) 06:30, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Philately of Mandatory Palestine
- Propose merging Category:Philately of Mandatory Palestine to Category:Philately of Palestine
- Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category Mason (talk) 02:43, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose - Philately in British Palestine is a notable topic on its own right with three articles. If anything it is continued via Category:Philately of Israel. Nothing to do with the much later Palestinian Authority or State of Palestine created in 1990s and 2010s accordingly. Category:Philately of Palestine is rather a vague category list, not a category standalone and I'm not sure whether it is useful at all grouping rather unrelated British Palestine and Palestinian Authority. GreyShark (dibra) 05:56, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Merge, it fits within the context of article Postage stamps and postal history of Palestine. For the target, it would probably helpful to add a "(region)" disambiguator. Is a dual merge needed, e.g. to Category:Economy of Mandatory Palestine? Currently the articles are (within the MP tree) only in Category:Mandatory Palestine-related lists. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:22, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Further comment, I have nominated the target for speedy renaming to Category:Philately of Palestine (region) per C2C. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:27, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Renamed. Ymblanter (talk) 08:09, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Films where the director died during filming
- Convert Category:Films where the director died during filming to article Films where the director died during filming
- Convert Category:Films where the director was replaced during filming to article Films where the director was replaced during filming
- Nominator's rationale: It could be an interesting list, but I don't think it's defining Mason (talk) 14:21, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete and listify (respectively) per WP:OCTRIVIA. We already have List of films released posthumously for the deaths category, which also covers the actors category above. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 15:00, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Tht is an interesting list but it is very broad? Could we have a more limited one? Britfilm (talk) 15:39, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Is there a more concise way to do it? I think it is interesting categorisation and would be useful. Britfilm (talk) 15:37, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- "Is there a more concise way to do it?" Concise way to do what? It may be interesting, but that doesn't mean the category is defining. Mason (talk) 19:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete and listify (respectively) per WP:OCTRIVIA. We already have List of films released posthumously for the deaths category, which also covers the actors category above. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 15:00, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete/listify, trivial. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:16, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- listify -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 01:52, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
- It could be too trivial for a list too. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:57, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Soviet people
- Propose renaming Category:Soviet people to Category:People from the Soviet Union
- Propose renaming Category:Soviet people by ethnicity to Category:People from the Soviet Union by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:Soviet people by occupation to Category:People from the Soviet Union by occupation
- Propose renaming Category:Soviet people by ethnic or national origin to Category:People from the Soviet Union by ethnic or national origin
- Propose renaming Category:Soviet people by period to Category:People from the Soviet Union by period
- Propose renaming Category:Soviet people by political orientation to Category:People from the Soviet Union by political orientation
- Propose renaming Category:Soviet people by religion to Category:People from the Soviet Union by religion
- Propose renaming Category:Soviet people by war to Category:People from the Soviet Union by war
- Propose renaming Category:Soviet men to Category:Men from the Soviet Union
- Propose renaming Category:Soviet women to Category:Women from the Soviet Union
- Propose renaming Category:Soviet children to Category:Children from the Soviet Union
- Propose renaming Category:Soviet atheists to Category:Atheists from the Soviet Union
- Propose renaming Category:Soviet LGBT people to Category:LGBT people from the Soviet Union
- Propose renaming Category:Soviet prisoners and detainees to Category:Prisoners and detainees from the Soviet Union
- Propose renaming Category:Soviet people with disabilities to Category:People from the Soviet Union with disabilities
- Propose renaming Category:Soviet centenarians to Category:Centenarians from the Soviet Union
- Propose renaming Category:Soviet internal exiles to Category:Internal exiles from the Soviet Union
- Propose renaming Category:Soviet murder victims to Category:Murder victims from the Soviet Union
- Propose renaming Category:Soviet award winners to Category:Award winners from the Soviet Union
- Propose renaming Category:Soviet expatriates to Category:Expatriates from the Soviet Union
- Propose renaming Category:Soviet war casualties to Category:War casualties of the Soviet Union
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of Soviet people to Category:Lists of people from the Soviet Union
- Propose renaming Category:Soviet people stubs to Category:People from the Soviet Union stubs
- Propose renaming Category:Fictional Soviet people to Category:Fictional people from the Soviet Union
- Propose renaming Category:Cultural depictions of Soviet people to Category:Cultural depictions of people from the Soviet Union
- Nominator's rationale: Where possible, the categories of former nations are formatted as "People from the *state name*". Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:24, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: I will start with the parent categories in Category:Soviet people and, if there is consensus to change, I will add the categories within each one by one. Otherwise, this Cfd will become too big. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:07, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Support. This is slightly clearer, and consistent with most of the parent Category:People by former country in Europe and Category:People by former country in Asia. —Michael Z. 20:12, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
- Comment This rename has some pretty big downstream implications; would that mean that the child categories would have to be renamed as well? Actors from the Soviet Union etc? Mason (talk) 14:29, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, I believe so but I'm starting with the subcategories in Category:Soviet people. If there is a consensus then we can proceed with the rest. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:35, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose. The current convention is in my understanding Fooian people for sovereign countries and People from Foo for country subdivisions. In this regard, foreign countries such as the Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia etc. are indisputably sovereign states (and not e.g. colonies within an empire) although former ones, and have a clear unambiguous demonyn. I see no policy-based reason to treat them differently that present-day sovereign countries. Place Clichy (talk) 15:45, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- We have Category:People from the Russian Empire for some reason, and the same form is used for a double handful of other empires among almost 100 “former countries and states” in Category:People by former country in Europe. These were empires composed of a large number of countries, and not nation-states nor UN member states, if we’re considering the definition of “country.” —Michael Z. 18:14, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
- On the other hand, Category:Russian people is not for people from the sovereign state, but for people broadly Russian: “people born in Russia, of Russian descent, or who have a Russian background” and is in parent categories “by nationality,” and refers to the main article Russians about “an East Slavic ethnic group.”
- Since Soviet is not an ethnocultural group but describes people having any ethnicity from a specific state, it seems to be in a different class of categorization than this.
- I wish we could find a defining statement about these categories as a whole. —Michael Z. 20:18, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
- In my understanding, ... from the Russian Empire was preferred to Imperial Russian because the latter is awkward and ambiguous with present-day Russia. Ottoman... was ambiguous with the Ottoman ruling family. None of this applies to Soviet. Place Clichy (talk) 22:53, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
- No, same problem. Soviet people could refer to Homo sovieticus, to people from Soviet Russia (before the Soviet Union existed), to people from other Soviet states and state-like entities, or even to people that belong to a soviet (council). But “from the Soviet Union” is unambiguous. —Michael Z. 07:39, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
- The term American could refer to any person from the Americas but it already has a well-established meaning. Similarly the term Soviet has a well-established meaning. Mellk (talk) 12:40, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
- American people are a well known national group. Soviet people are a historical group that don’t exist any more and the ideological concepts an extinct state. Not equivalent in terms of meaning and recognizability. —Michael Z. 15:41, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- American identity is a geographical, political and national concept going back well over two centuries, and a defining quality of the Americans, regardless of the USA’s statehood. Soviet “nationality” (subjecthood) was invented in 1917 and 1922, and ceased to exist on January 26, 1991. Today Soviet people might describe those few subject to Soviet mentality, a completely different thing, less recognizable and requiring clearer disambiguation. —Michael Z. 00:21, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- That's not ambiguous. There is no ambiguity that these categories are about Soviet people between 1923 and 1991. Place Clichy (talk) 04:21, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- The term American could refer to any person from the Americas but it already has a well-established meaning. Similarly the term Soviet has a well-established meaning. Mellk (talk) 12:40, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
- No, same problem. Soviet people could refer to Homo sovieticus, to people from Soviet Russia (before the Soviet Union existed), to people from other Soviet states and state-like entities, or even to people that belong to a soviet (council). But “from the Soviet Union” is unambiguous. —Michael Z. 07:39, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
- In my understanding, ... from the Russian Empire was preferred to Imperial Russian because the latter is awkward and ambiguous with present-day Russia. Ottoman... was ambiguous with the Ottoman ruling family. None of this applies to Soviet. Place Clichy (talk) 22:53, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose. The people here are defined as Soviet, in a manner similar to Category:Yugoslav people. Mellk (talk) 15:52, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Philately of the Czech republic
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge as the only page in here isn't really about the history of stamps. Also if kept, it needs to be renamed to Philately of the Czech Republic Mason (talk) 14:50, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
Just delete, the article does not belong in the target either. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:11, 22 December 2023 (UTC)- Keep: and populate because there another 158 countries in Category:Philately by country where this sub-category resides and most have several entries. Why throw away just one? ww2censor (talk) 21:45, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- The article should be purged leaving the category empty unless there are articles that can be added immediately. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:45, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- �Comment: @Marcocapelle: a few article have already been added. ww2censor (talk) 00:22, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
- Ok, then I will strike my vote. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:13, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
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Category:20th-century executions of Vietnamese people
- Nominator's rationale: No need to diffuse by century. There are only 4 in this category, and 33 in the parent category Mason (talk) 15:24, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Meanwhile there are 18, so size isn't really an issue. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:09, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- The total size is what I'm discussing, not the number in just the child category. I don't think there's a need to diffuse by century when there are so few in total. Mason (talk) 19:53, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Fair enough, I will not oppose. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:43, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- The total size is what I'm discussing, not the number in just the child category. I don't think there's a need to diffuse by century when there are so few in total. Mason (talk) 19:53, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Wrongful convictions in fiction
- Nominator's rationale: Should this be for wrongful convictions specifically, or miscarriage of justice like the subcategory Category:Films about miscarriage of justice? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:29, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Comment - so, you want to rename Category:Video games about wrongful convictions, to Category:Video games about wrongful convictions? (Oinkers42) (talk) 16:36, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- No, but it could be renamed to Category:Video games about miscarriage of justice if the parent is renamed accordingly. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:53, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Comment - so, you want to rename Category:Video games about wrongful convictions, to Category:Video games about wrongful convictions? (Oinkers42) (talk) 16:36, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
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X in fiction XI
- Propose renaming Category:Indian diaspora in fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about Indian diaspora
- Propose renaming Category:Human-alien romance in fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about human–alien romance
- Propose renaming Category:Human-fox romance in fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about human–fox romance
- Propose renaming Category:Human-mermaid romance in fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about human–mermaid romance
- Propose renaming Category:Human-mummy romance in fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about human–mummy romance
- Propose renaming Category:Human-snake romance in fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about human–snake romance
- Propose renaming Category:Human-vampire romance in fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about human–vampire romance
- Propose renaming Category:Human-zombie romance in fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about human–zombie romance
- Propose renaming Category:Human-werewolf romance in fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about human–werewolf romance added per this discussion HouseBlastertalk 21:56, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Conversion from X in fiction to Fiction about X, as this must be a defining trait. The Indian diaspora one is a category that needs to be checked that all of the works directly included are actually about Indian diaspora; I recently purged many subcategories that were about works by Indian or Indian-diaspora authors. The subcategories of Category:Paranormal romance are in response to a comment at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_December_18#X_in_fiction_II, and have additionally been corrected for proper use of the en dash. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:50, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Support first one, however I am leaning towards merging the rest into Category:Paranormal romance as they do not have parent articles that merit such specificity. They would likely fall under WP:NARROWCAT. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:01, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Insofar kept, suppport rename. I am neutral about the alt merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:36, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Soviet spies by nationality
- Nominator's rationale: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 20#Category:Spies by nationality 寒吉 (talk) 17:14, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. I think that the change would be helpful based on the categories in there. However, this nomination as written is not helpful, nor is the linked discussion closed yet. Mason (talk) 19:50, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Rename per actual content, all subcategories are about spies for the Soviet Union. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:34, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
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X in fiction XII
- Propose merging Category:Death in television (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Television shows about death
- Propose merging Category:Murder in television (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Television shows about murder
- Propose renaming Category:Poisoning in fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about poisonings
- Propose renaming Category:Poisoning in film (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Films about poisonings
- Propose renaming Category:Inheritances in fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about inheritances
- Propose renaming Category:Ghosts in television (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Television shows about ghosts
- Propose renaming Category:Serial killers in television (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Television shows about serial killers
- Propose renaming Category:Murder–suicide in television (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Television shows about murder–suicide
- Propose renaming Category:The Holocaust in television (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Television shows about the Holocaust
- Propose renaming Category:Suicide in television (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Television shows about suicide
- Nominator's rationale: Conversion from X in fiction to Fiction about X, as this must be a defining trait. This batch also contains some redundant layers that need to be merged. For the inheritance and poisoning categories, I am unsure whether to use the singular or plural form in the prepositional phrase. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:18, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Support, personally "about poisoning" and "about inheritance" sound better to me. (t · c) buidhe 23:32, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Merge/rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:31, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- This is to be read as "Support in principle". I have no objection to proposed modifications by other editors. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:29, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
- Support most per nom. However, merge Category:Poisoning in fiction and its subcategories to Category:Fiction about murder or Category:Fiction about assassinations. I don't think the particular method of death is defining. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:39, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Criminal law video games
- Propose merging Category:Criminal law video games to Category:Video games about crime
- Nominator's rationale: Too similar in scope. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:21, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. These seem to be different. Instead of merging, I think that Category:Criminal law video games could be repurposed to Category:Video games about law Mason (talk) 19:47, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Video games about law to make it more broad. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:14, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Dance in film
- Propose merging Category:Dance in film to Category:Dance films
- Nominator's rationale: Duplicate category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:14, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose, this is a topic category, the target is a set category. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:11, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Rename To Category:Films about dance. Dance in film and Dance film both exist. An example of a film that is about dance but not a dance film could be a film about dancers' lives that never actually shows the dances in a major way. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:27, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose, a film may have a significant dance as one element without being a dance film nor a film about dance.An example would be the zombie dance in Michael Jackson's Thriller (music video) -- Paul foord (talk) 03:24, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
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X in fiction XIII
- Propose renaming:
- Category:Adult video in fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about adult video
- Category:Anthrax in fiction�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about anthrax
- Category:Au pairs in fiction�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about au pairs
- Category:Au pairs in films�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Films about au pairs
- Category:Beauty pageants in fiction�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about beauty pageants
- Category:Body swapping in films�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Films about body swapping
- Category:Castaways in fiction�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about castaways
- Category:Domestic workers in fiction�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about domestic workers
- Category:Dyslexia in fiction�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about dyslexia
- Category:Genies in television�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Television shows about genies
- Category:Ghostwriting in fiction�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about ghostwriting
- Category:Grave-robbing in film�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Films about grave-robbing
- Category:Hanging in fiction�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about hanging
- Category:Hollow Earth in fiction�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about the Hollow Earth
- Category:Hunting in film�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Films about hunting
- Category:Infectious diseases in fiction�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about infectious diseases
- Category:Insomnia in film�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Films about insomnia
- Category:Interpreting and translation in fiction�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about interpreting and translation
- Category:Juries in fiction�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about juries
- Category:Language in fiction�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about language
- Category:Lawsuits in fiction�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about lawsuits
- Category:Maids in fiction�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about maids
- Category:Maids in films�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Films about maids
- Category:Mannequins in films�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Films about mannequins
- Category:Measles in fiction�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about measles
- Category:Military law in fiction�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about military law
- Category:Miss France in fiction�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about Miss France
- Category:Music in fiction�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about music
- Category:Nannies in fiction�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about nannies
- Category:Necrophilia in film�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Films about necrophilia
- Category:Proms in fiction�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about proms
- Category:Publicity stunts in fiction�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about publicity stunts
- Category:Radio in fiction�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about radio
- Category:Second plague pandemic in fiction�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about the second plague pandemic
- Category:Sexuality in novels�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Novels about sexuality
- Category:Slavery in fiction�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about slavery
- Category:Smallpox in fiction�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about smallpox
- Category:Social realism in film�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Films about social realism
- Category:Squatting in film�(edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Films about squatting
- Category:The Salvation Army in fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about the Salvation Army
- Category:Underground railways in fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about underground railways
- Category:Viral outbreaks in fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about viral outbreaks
- Category:Viral respiratory tract infections in fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about viral respiratory tract infections
- Category:Witchcraft in anime and manga (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Anime and manga about witchcraft
- Category:Witchcraft in television (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Television shows about witchcraft
- Nominator's rationale: Conversion from X in fiction to Fiction about X, as this must be a defining trait. This time, I think it's time to scale up. There shouldn't be any surprises in this batch of 45 entries. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:31, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:01, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose all Not a fan of mass nominations like these, there is no nuance.★Trekker (talk) 12:21, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
- Rename most per nom, except for Category:Hollow Earth in fiction, which should be renamed Category:Hollow Earth fiction. Opposing on principle is just disruptive, unless there is a clear and evident reason there is a problem here. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:34, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose because once you add "Films about" then it opens every film up to people complaining that a particular film is not 100% "about" a particular topic. The wording of these categories (as they are currently worded) allows for topics to be included that may not necessarily be the main focus of the films in question. Just because the Salvation Army appears in a work of fiction does not mean that the work is "about" the Salvation Army, for instance, and I guarantee that there will be an endless supply of similarly worded arguments by others in the future if these changes are made. It has already been happening with other categories for which this change was made. --Nicholas0 (talk) 18:56, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
- It is generally agreed that "about" in this case means that it is a major plot element or topic. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:09, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- Support per nom Mason (talk) 16:27, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- It is generally agreed that "about" in this case means that it is a major plot element or topic. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:09, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Forms of Hindu deities
- Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERCAT. Already part of Hindu deities Cat via individual deity categories. Redtigerxyz Talk 04:58, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- Wouldn't this be relevant for someone who is specifically interested in forms? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:01, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep as an orthogonal subdivision to the categories about individual Hindu deities. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 15:24, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Given names inspired by popular culture
- Propose renaming Category:Given names inspired by popular culture to Category:Invented given names
- Nominator's rationale: This category and its ussage is incredibly vague right now, the vast majority of them are regular names from history which simply increased in popularity due to some popular piece of media or famous person, which does not remotely seem defining to me. Names increase in popularity due to cultural events all the time, its a perfectly normal and expected phenomenon for most names. ★Trekker (talk) 10:18, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- Comment.. I’m not necessarily opposed to renaming the category but I don’t think this is necessarily the right name. There’s already a category called English given names invented by fiction writers. I was going for something that describes names that have greatly increased in usage due to its use for a single real life person or a single influential character. Names influenced by popular culture? Names that rose in usage due to popular culture? If someone can come up with a better name, please suggest one.
- Bookworm857158367 (talk) 13:52, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- The issue is that I don't find the fact that a name has become more popular due to popular culture to be a defining characteristic, names always fluctuate in usage because of events in culture. A name might become more common in the 1800s because of a once popular novel, but 200 years later it may still be popular but not because of the book anymore. I'm sure the name Victoria became more popular because of Queen Victoria, but that doesn't mean most people who use the name now days mean to name their child after the queen or even think about her. Same with Gary (which you categorized with this category), I doubt the names continued usage is because parents all think of Gary Cooper.★Trekker (talk) 14:14, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete, too subjective. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:46, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete including its subcategory, it's simply too subjective to claim that X or Y name is inspired by pop culture. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:02, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: and @Zxcvbnm: do you not feel that at least names like Daenerys (given name), Khaleesi (given name), Kylo (given name), Anakin (given name), Tigerlily (given name) and Renesmee (name) are pretty defined by being invented names?★Trekker (talk) 18:52, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- I am not supporting deletion of Category:English given names invented by fiction writers because this is better defined than the category that has been nominated. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:29, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: and @Zxcvbnm: do you not feel that at least names like Daenerys (given name), Khaleesi (given name), Kylo (given name), Anakin (given name), Tigerlily (given name) and Renesmee (name) are pretty defined by being invented names?★Trekker (talk) 18:52, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
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- For clarification: most of User:StarTrekker's examples were from Category:English given names invented by fiction writers which is irrelevant for the discussion about the nominated category. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:19, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Fictional reptilians
- Merge Category:Fictional reptilians to Category:Anthropomorphic reptiles
- Nomimator's rationale: The term "reptilian" is rather vaguely defined by this category. It currently seems to consist primarily of articles about humanoid characters that look like reptiles. Therefore it is redundant. AHI-3000 (talk) 03:35, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- By the way, I strongly oppose any weird alternative suggestions to merge or delete Category:Anthropomorphic reptiles in any way, this is one of multiple similarly named subcategories of Category:Anthropomorphic animals. AHI-3000 (talk) 16:47, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose The requisite article is called "reptilian humanoid". You'd have to be successful in a move discussion to "anthropomorphic reptile" before this merge would make sense. I would, however, support a rename to Category:Fictional reptilian humanoids as fairly uncontroversial. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:16, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- I would also support a reverse merge to the fictional reptilians category since it needs to be decided by a move discussion at the main article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:35, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- What? I am not suggesting any move of the reptilian humanoid article, it's not a prerequisite to this proposal. And tell me what's the difference between "humanoid reptile" and "anthropomorphic reptile"? And if you check both of these categories, there's a lot of overlap between Category:Anthropomorphic reptiles and Category:Fictional reptilians, so I don't think there's much of a real practical difference between them. AHI-3000 (talk) 05:40, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- The point is that category names should match article names. I don't necessarily oppose this rename idea, but articles are moved before categories are. In other words, it's more of a procedural oppose. You'd have to successfully argue that reptilian humanoids are predominantly referred to as anthropomorphic reptiles. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:52, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- I think this is a separate issue that's not directly relevant to this discussion. My point is that we do not need two categories that are both about anthropomorphic/humanoid reptile characters. AHI-3000 (talk) 05:59, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, so reverse merge. The old category is more accurate to the existing title of the article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:46, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- We don't need to reverse merge anything, this nomination isn't a debate on a particular article's title. AHI-3000 (talk) 16:42, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- Categories must match the title of their parent article, we don't move the category before the article, in fact the opposite. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:08, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- We don't need to reverse merge anything, this nomination isn't a debate on a particular article's title. AHI-3000 (talk) 16:42, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, so reverse merge. The old category is more accurate to the existing title of the article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:46, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- I think this is a separate issue that's not directly relevant to this discussion. My point is that we do not need two categories that are both about anthropomorphic/humanoid reptile characters. AHI-3000 (talk) 05:59, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- The point is that category names should match article names. I don't necessarily oppose this rename idea, but articles are moved before categories are. In other words, it's more of a procedural oppose. You'd have to successfully argue that reptilian humanoids are predominantly referred to as anthropomorphic reptiles. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:52, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- What? I am not suggesting any move of the reptilian humanoid article, it's not a prerequisite to this proposal. And tell me what's the difference between "humanoid reptile" and "anthropomorphic reptile"? And if you check both of these categories, there's a lot of overlap between Category:Anthropomorphic reptiles and Category:Fictional reptilians, so I don't think there's much of a real practical difference between them. AHI-3000 (talk) 05:40, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- I would also support a reverse merge to the fictional reptilians category since it needs to be decided by a move discussion at the main article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:35, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- Merge both to Category:Reptilian humanoids per WP:C2D. I will tag Category:Anthropomorphic reptiles too. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:59, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- Category:Anthropomorphic reptiles is a subcategory of Category:Anthropomorphic animals, getting rid of it is counterproductive. AHI-3000 (talk) 16:40, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose I see no good reason to merge or rename any category here, "reptilians" refer to a very specific UFO conspiracy type character.★Trekker (talk) 10:21, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- I am not sure which members of this category are that "specific conspiracy type character". If there are none, I guess this is tacit support for its deletion as an unnecessary category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:03, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- For example, what has Anole (character) to do with UFO conspiracies? Marcocapelle (talk) 14:49, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- You are mistaken, most characters in Category:Fictional reptilians category don't even have anything to do with the reptilian conspiracy theory. AHI-3000 (talk) 16:36, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Lists of unrealized projects by artist
- Nominator's rationale: As far as I can see, they're all films. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:29, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Lists of unrealized film projects or split per nom. Just "projects" is too vague. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:34, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, I believe the nom is proposing two alternative rename targets, not a split. Qwerfjkltalk 12:29, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
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- If I misunderstood User:Clarityfiend and the proposal is not meant as a split then my alternative rename is preferable as being more concise, but I do not oppose either of the original proposals per se. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:35, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Expatriates in British North America
- Nominator's rationale: Expatriates in British North America is not defining, when there are more specific categories.Mason (talk) 03:31, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- "British North America comprised the colonial territories of the British Empire in North America from 1783 onwards," which I don't think is helpful as a distinction for expatriates. They should be placed in a specific colony/terrority. If kept, this category should be containerized as people don't tend to be defined as "British North American". Mason (talk) 01:12, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- The last contribution incorrectly describes the scope of this category, as it includes for example Category:People of the Thirteen Colonies, not just Canada after 1763 and Nova Scotia after 1740s. This presents difficulty as the 13 Colonies were British colonies in North America and there is an overlap in date between them and what became Canada. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:45, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Peterkingiron I'm quoting directly from the wikipedia page on what British North America is.Mason (talk) 03:18, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete for now, a too poorly populated category to have a difficult discussion about. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:37, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
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- You may be quoting the article, but if so subcategories are being misused for Thirteen Colonies. Split into a "pre-confederation Canada" and "thirteen colonies": look at the content of English emigrants subcat. I have no objection in principle, but how do you propose to keep emigrants to New York from being placed (or misplaced) in the Brit N Am cat? Category names sometimes have to be more precise than articles. Classicvally the categories for Birmingham have to be at "Birmingham, West Midlands", to keep out Birmingham AL. Peterkingiron (talk) 20:06, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
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Category:The Rest cricketers
- Propose renaming Category:The Rest cricketers to Category:The Rest (Bombay) cricketers
- Nominator's rationale: The present title is too vague as there have been several cricket teams called The Rest, including another one in India. The main article for this team is The Rest (Bombay) cricket team so inclusion of (Bombay) in the category title will disambiguate. Batagur baska (talk) 13:39, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Category:Persecution of Christians in Iran
- Nominator's rationale: Possibly move to Category:Persecution of Christian converts in Iran. As far as I'm aware, all those who have been persecuted and included in this category are Christian converts from Muslim families. The proposed category change would probably better reflect their situation IMO. GnocchiFan (talk) 12:50, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose, first of all there is no rationale for deletion, only for renaming. But nowhere else a distinction is being made for converts, there is no Category:Persecution of Christian converts, so I am not convinced we should make that distinction in Iran. Note that potentially the category may also include persecution of members of the Assyrian Church in Iran who weren't converts. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:23, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Category:Anarchists from Austria-Hungary
- Propose merging Category:Anarchists from Austria-Hungary to Category:Austro-Hungarian anarchists
- Nominator's rationale: Duplicate category. "Austro-Hungarian anarchists" has been the default category for three years, this new category was created seemingly without awareness of the existence of the other. No reason for them to remain separated. Grnrchst (talk) 10:47, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Merge but the other way around - i.e. merge "Austro-Hungarian anarchists" to "Anarchists from Austria-Hungary" - since the parent category is Category:People from Austria-Hungary. It is likely also why the creator was not aware of its existance since all the category names are formatted the same way except for "Austro-Hungarian anarchists". Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:07, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, to the older page, and possibly rename that one to Category:Anarchists from Austria-Hungary thereafter. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:39, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Category:British Ceylon period
- Propose merging Category:British Ceylon period to Category:British Ceylon
- Nominator's rationale: Manual merge because WP:OVERLAPCAT. Although there is a contested merger proposal for the article British Ceylon period, there is no justification for separate categories. The target already holds directly the chronology categories for the British period 1815–1948, and could take the other's place in Category:History of Sri Lanka by period. – Fayenatic London 15:33, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
History of Ceylon by period
- Propose deleting Category:History of Ceylon by period (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:Centuries in Ceylon (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Centuries in Sri Lanka
- Propose merging Category:Decades in Ceylon (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Decades in Sri Lanka
- Propose merging Category:Years in Ceylon (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Years in Sri Lanka
- Propose deleting Category:Events in Ceylon (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Establishments in Ceylon (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:Establishments in Ceylon by century (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Establishments in Sri Lanka by century
- Propose merging Category:Establishments in Ceylon by decade (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Establishments in Sri Lanka by decade (already done)
- Propose merging Category:Establishments in Ceylon by year (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Establishments in Sri Lanka by year
- Propose merging Category:2nd-millennium establishments in Ceylon (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2nd-millennium establishments in Sri Lanka (already done)
- Propose deleting Category:Disestablishments in Ceylon (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:Disestablishments in Ceylon by century (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Disestablishments in Sri Lanka by century
- Propose merging Category:Disestablishments in Ceylon by decade (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Disestablishments in Sri Lanka by decade
- Propose merging Category:Disestablishments in Ceylon by year (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Disestablishments in Sri Lanka by year
- Propose merging Category:2nd-millennium disestablishments in Ceylon (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2nd-millennium establishments in Sri Lanka
- Propose deleting Category:Disestablishments in Ceylon by millennium (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:Years of the 19th century in Sri Lanka (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Years of the 19th century in Ceylon
- Propose merging Category:Years of the 20th century in Ceylon (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Years of the 20th century in Sri Lanka
- Propose merging Category:19th century in Sri Lanka (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:19th century in Ceylon
- Propose merging Category:20th century in Ceylon (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:20th century in Sri Lanka
- Nominator's rationale: Merge and redirect, deleting parents that will become empty. This hierarchy is WP:SHAREDNAME, a subset of Sri Lanka's history covering British Ceylon 1815–1948 and the independent Dominion of Ceylon 1948–1972. When the categories were created, they were required by the chronology templates, but now those templates will resolve redirects at such category names. – Fayenatic London 10:29, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:40, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Category:Red cattle
- Nominator's rationale: delete, trivial characteristic. Besides based on the pictures I'd say some are brown, so it is subjective too. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:01, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Er, no, nonsense. Coat colour is a defining characteristic in cattle breeds, exactly as it is not in (most) horse breeds. Major works of reference such as this and this classify cattle breeds into groups based on coat colour, as did the now-defunct breed website of the University of Veterinary Medicine Hannover and as do others who actually know what they're talking about – see for example this Scholar search. Oh, and 'brown' cattle look like this. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:31, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- The articles are clear about the color red, but they aren't clear at all about whether these breeds belong together as an official red group. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:35, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Er, no, nonsense. Coat colour is a defining characteristic in cattle breeds, exactly as it is not in (most) horse breeds. Major works of reference such as this and this classify cattle breeds into groups based on coat colour, as did the now-defunct breed website of the University of Veterinary Medicine Hannover and as do others who actually know what they're talking about – see for example this Scholar search. Oh, and 'brown' cattle look like this. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:31, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose This is clearly meant to be a breed, which is not a trivial characteristic. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:16, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- No, the category contains breeds, red cattle is not 'a' breed in itself. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:35, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Note: in case of deletion, I have checked that all members are otherwise held within Category:Cattle breeds. – Fayenatic London 15:52, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Category:Terms in science and technology
- Nominator's rationale: disperse in the tree of Category:Science and technology, "term" is a meaningless attribute. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:31, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Support Appears to be WP:NARROWCAT and should probably be members of two categories, science and technology terminology, if necessary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:41, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Category:Anti-Israeli sentiment
- Propose merging Category:Anti-Israeli sentiment to Category:Anti-Zionism
- Nominator's rationale We already have a category for opposition to Israel, which is the anti-Zionism category. This new anti-Israeli sentiment category is superfluous. What is the difference exactly between anti-Zionist and anti-Israel sentiment? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 18:20, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- Support per nom AHI-3000 (talk) 01:20, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
- I am hesitant about this. I would expect Category:Anti-Israeli sentiment to be a subcategory of Category:Anti-Zionism because Zionism is so much older than the state Israel. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:06, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- I have created this category and here is my statement:
- -Zionism: a Jewish-only idea for a Jewish state that only talks about Jews in the geographical Jewish homeland. Rejection of this Jewish-only idea: Anti-Zionist.
- -Israel: A multidiverse country in today's world, which primarily has nothing to do with religion, where people of different origins live together side by side. It guarantees freedom for everyone.
When you say: "I am against Zionists and Zionism", you are for example not addressing the Christians, Muslims and atheists who are Israeli citizens. When you advocate the destruction of all of Israel and its society, you don’t mention the religious element and therefore also address every Israeli citizen including the Muslims, Christians, Atheists and anyone who is not a Jew or who does not identify as a Zionist. Rejection Israel as what it is today and all of its society: Anti-Israeli sentiment. You couldn’t include Adolf Hitler into this for example. Another example is the BDS-movement, which definitely turns against Israel, but I wouldn’t call it an Anti-Zionist organisation. Furthermore (Anti-)Zionism is way older than the country of Israel as we know it today.
The topic is complicated, but there are differences. A subcat of Anti-Zionism would probably be the best solution. FPSalman (talk) 21:11, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. Critisizing Israel and/or even being against its actions (aka anti-Isreal sentiment) is not the same as being anti-Zionist. You can fully support the idea that Jewish people deserve to have a country, and fully belive that Isreal in its current form is not a good country. As such, those to topics, while connected, are not the same. Isreal is a country that exists since 1948. Zionist movement existed for centuries.Artemis Andromeda (talk) 18:00, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
- Criticizing Israel and its policies is not "anti-Israeli". Israelis criticize their own government on a daily basis. Wanting a different administration in power is also not "anti-Israeli", nor is it "anti-Israeli" to want the Israeli government reformed. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 13:14, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. Critisizing Israel and/or even being against its actions (aka anti-Isreal sentiment) is not the same as being anti-Zionist. You can fully support the idea that Jewish people deserve to have a country, and fully belive that Isreal in its current form is not a good country. As such, those to topics, while connected, are not the same. Isreal is a country that exists since 1948. Zionist movement existed for centuries.Artemis Andromeda (talk) 18:00, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
- Zionism is not a Jewish-only idea. The majority of American Zionists are Christians. There are also many Hindu Zionists in India. Those are two examples of the many non-Jewish Zionists worldwide. Many of the "Christians, Muslims and atheists" in Israel are Arabs/Palestinians and many are anti-Zionists. The idea that people who oppose the existence of the State of Israel have some kind of animosity against the Arab/Palestinian citizens of Israel is...an interesting idea, but one I've never heard before. Israel defines itself as the Jewish state; opposition to the Jewish state (anti-Zionism) is opposition to Israel. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 13:11, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
- What are your sources for all of that? How do you know that “many” of the Arabs in Israel are Anti-Zionist? How comes that so many Arabs are in the Israeli army then? How do you actually define an “Arab” in the first place? Is a person who looks “Arab” and whose both parents are Jews from Morocco not “Arab”?
- "Israel defines itself as the Jewish state; …" Source?
- "The idea that people who oppose the existence of the State of Israel have some kind of animosity against the Arab/Palestinian citizens of Israel…" What are you talking about?
- The massive problem with you Bohemian Baltimore is that you reject Israel’s right to exist. I don’t know how valuable your statements are.FPSalman (talk) 19:52, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
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- Merge. I don't think there's a difference here at all. Place Clichy (talk) 02:00, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- I have moved some articles from Category:Anti-Zionism to Category:Anti-Israeli sentiment, hopefully the difference has become clearer this way. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:30, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Still not clear for me. Anti-Israeli sentiment redirects to Anti-Zionism, that's a clue. Much content I see in Category:Anti-Israeli sentiment is very much about opposition to a Jewish national home in the region, whatever the name and status of that state/home (examples: Israeli–Palestinian conflict, Calls for the destruction of Israel). The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is found there, despite having been written 45 years before Israel existed. As Category:Anti-Israeli sentiment is currently a child of Category:Anti-Zionism, does this mean that Anti-Israeli sentiment is a specific kind of Anti-Zionism? That directed towards Israel as a state, as opposed to what? Place Clichy (talk) 12:50, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Additional proposal: purge biographies from both categories per WP:OPINIONCAT, move them to Category:Writers about the Israeli–Palestinian conflict if applicable. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:30, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Support purging biographies from both categories per WP:OPINIONCAT. Place Clichy (talk) 12:50, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Tribes of Lebanon
- Propose merging Category:Tribes of Lebanon to Category:Ethnic groups in Lebanon
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There is only one tribe in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 06:40, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- I moved the article Banu Abs to Category:Ethnic groups in the Middle East, leaving this category empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:17, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Category:Events by definitions
- Nominator's rationale: Not defining Mason (talk) 06:36, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- "Definition" is a rather incomprehensible attribute. Merge to Category:Events. (If kept, rename to Category:Events by type). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:21, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Support Clear WP:NARROWCAT. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:43, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Category:Fictional criminals by occupation
- Propose merging Category:Fictional criminals by occupation to Category:Fictional criminals by crime
- Nominator's rationale: These seem to be the same. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:52, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:35, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Category:Human–animal hybrids
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant to Category:Human hybrids - what could humans hybridize with that isn't an animal? All of the content here is better categorized elsewhere (usually in Category:Lists of fictional humanoid species) so there's no need to merge. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:39, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep For the main reason that it has an article associated with it, Human-animal hybrid. Also, it's clear that humans can be hybrids with other species, such as Interbreeding between archaic and modern humans (in real life, before everything that wasn't a modern human went extinct) and fictional examples like demigods and half-elves. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:15, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- I did remove some of the confusing and unnecessary parent categories of it. But I don't necessarily think the creation of this category was unwarranted, as it is a legitimate encyclopedic subtopic. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:21, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Category:Fictional members of endangered species
- Nominator's rationale: Not defining. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:24, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose, how is this "non-defining"? This is such a weak argument. AHI-3000 (talk) 04:48, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Support Per nom. Whether a species is endangered would be defining... for the species. It wouldn't carry over to the character. (Also, it opens a can of worms of conflating fictional species that RESEMBLE real-life endangered species with actually being part of a fictional endangered species). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:31, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Support per nom Mason (talk) 06:37, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- At least remove the subcategories. In fiction, pandas and tigers aren't necessarily endangered species. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:45, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Category:Cuban sculptors by century
- Propose merging Category:Cuban sculptors by century to Category:Cuban sculptors
- Propose merging Category:Lebanese sculptors by century to Category:Lebanese sculptors
- Propose merging Category:Romanian sculptors by century to Category:Romanian sculptors
- Propose merging Category:Icelandic sculptors by century to Category:Icelandic sculptors
- Propose merging Category:Nigerian sculptors by century to Category:Nigerian sculptors
- Propose merging Category:Burmese politicians by century to Category:Burmese politicians
- Propose merging Category:Afghan businesspeople by century to Category:Afghan businesspeople
- Propose merging Category:Belarusian businesspeople by century to Category:Belarusian businesspeople
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There is only one category in here for each category. This unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 03:58, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:47, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Category:Palestinian philosophers by century
- Propose merging Category:Palestinian philosophers by century to Category:Palestinian philosophers
- Propose merging Category:Uruguayan philosophers by century to Category:Uruguayan philosophers
- Propose merging Category:Kenyan philosophers by century to Category:Kenyan philosophers
- Propose merging Category:Lebanese philosophers by century to Category:Lebanese philosophers
- Propose merging Category:Estonian philosophers by century to Category:Estonian philosophers
- Propose merging Category:Cuban philosophers by century to Category:Cuban philosophers
- Propose merging Category:Chilean philosophers by century to Category:Chilean philosophers
- Propose merging Category:Burmese philosophers by century to Category:Burmese philosophers
- Propose merging Category:Filipino philosophers by century to Category:Filipino philosophers
- Propose merging Category:Syrian philosophers by century to Category:Syrian philosophers
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There is only one category in here for each category which is unhelpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 03:49, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:48, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Category:Anthropomorphic carnivorans
- Propose merging Category:Anthropomorphic carnivorans to Category:Anthropomorphic mammals
- Propose merging Category:Anthropomorphic caniforms to Category:Anthropomorphic mammals
- Nominator's rationale: Same deal, different category. Using such a specifically scientific term for fictional characters is random and unnecessary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 03:16, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Support per nom. No need to diffuse by scientific terms. Mason (talk) 03:52, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose It's not random or unnecessary, but great for difusion.★Trekker (talk) 12:01, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Category:Kyrgyzstani men by occupation
- Propose merging Category:Kyrgyzstani men by occupation to Category:Kyrgyzstani men
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There are no other categories in the parent, which is unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 02:49, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Weak oppose, the nominated category is sufficiently populated in itself and this would leave a random gap in the tree of Category:Men by nationality and occupation. I probably would support merging all 212 categories in this tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:56, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Category:Mandatory Palestine expatriates in Italian East Africa
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There is only one person in this category. Probably because Italian East Africa existed for less than 4 years. Mason (talk) 02:34, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:59, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Category:Ghattas family
- Nominator's rationale: Only two people in this family. It is unclear if they are even related, as neither links to the other. Mason (talk) 02:30, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete, the articles can be directly interlinked if appropriate. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:01, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Category:Shia Islam in Central America
- Propose merging Category:Shia Islam in Central America to Category:Shia Islam in North America
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's no need to isolate this one page from the rest of north america Mason (talk) 01:57, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:56, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Category:Wikipedia categories named after alcoholic drink companies
- Nominator's rationale: Perfectly overlapping categories Mason (talk) 00:28, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Category:Cattle breeds by colour
- Propose merging Category:Cattle breeds by colour to Category:Cattle breeds
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Only one category in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 00:23, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. I have nominated the subcategory too (see above). Marcocapelle (talk) 10:03, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Merge The only subcategory was made 6 years ago, so it doesn't seem like new ones will be added. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:14, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- Merge, also to parent Category:Animal breeds by colour. Then nominate that parent for merging to Category:Animal coat colors. – Fayenatic London 15:40, 30 December 2023 (UTC)