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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:14, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fasl-ı Cedid

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Probably need a native speaker to figure out whether this is notable from sources such as http://bodrumkoro.org/cevdetcagla.html Chidgk1 (talk) 17:38, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I was able to find sources like [1] and [2] that mention the subject; also many other reliable sources point out that Santuri Hilmi Bey, the person considered to be the representative of this musical ensemble (or style) is the grandfather of the composer of the current Turkish national anthem, Osman Zeki Üngör. I believe there is a plausible potential to find more sources if we could search the offline archives or books, based on the references given for the subject in these kinds of academic papers. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 03:54, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep the topic is also discussed in two other academic papers I found here and here. Mccapra (talk) 07:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: It is discussed by quite a few sources. [3][4] Aintabli (talk) 23:28, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:35, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Namumula

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Fails WP:NSONG. Seems to be a case of WP:TOOSOON. HueMan1 (talk) 23:56, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(article creator) Keep: There are significant sources of this article that covers of this subject: Billboard Philippines and ABS-CBN News, ~~Although~~ Although, ~~i cite the social media of Maki (Maki's post on Instagram about his new song) but I supported the social media post with with reliable sources just I mentioned earlier and~~ there is a stub-article to expand the article.

Also, Namumula is set to release on Friday (August 30, 2024), I don't think this is a WP:TOOSOON, the days are numbered until the song is released. Royiswariii (talk) 12:35, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Meets WP:NSONG with sources presented by Royuswari. They're reliable and in-depth enough IMV. SBKSPP (talk) 01:59, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: It definitely fails WP:NSONG, a song not yet officially released could not be significantly covered by media, the existing “coverages” are only marketing maneuvers. WP:NOTPROMO, WP:NOTNEWS. Nihonjinatny (talk) 14:03, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The sources indicated by Royiswariii are reliable; they're more than just an announcement since they talk about the song. I also found a few more sources which talk about the song: [5], [6] and [7]. Since the song is slated to be released tomorrow, we'll expect some more sources about it. Nonetheless, the article is good enough to meet WP:NSONG. ASTIG 😎🙃 13:00, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait: The song was released today. Tho I agree the sourcing for the cast needs to be revised for primary sources reasons. Borgenland (talk) 07:26, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: as it already met NSONG and has enough reliable sources. 139.135.241.99 (talk) 13:26, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Liz: Hi! I'm the creator of the Namumula article. The song was released yesterday, and I've added some new sources to the article. Other users have also helped me further expand it. Royiswariii (talk) 00:55, 31 August 2024 (UTC) (article creator)[reply]

Keep: With the sources above and this in Billboard and this in ABS-CBN (after today's release), it meets NSONG and probably did before anyways. Looks like it is likely to chart high according to the Billboard article. C F A 💬 03:08, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The song meets NSONG criteria and likely did so prior to this discussion. The sources, such as ABS-CBN and Billboard, are reliable and provide sufficient depth. Indo360 (talk) 04:30, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Maki (singer). Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:33, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maki-Concert

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Fails WP:NCONCERT. HueMan1 (talk) 23:53, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Maki (singer) as WP:TOOSOON. SBKSPP (talk) 02:00, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Fails WP:NCONCERT, a concert not yet really happened could not be significantly covered by media, the existing “coverages” are only marketing maneuvers. WP:NOTPROMO, WP:NOTNEWS. Nihonjinatny (talk) 15:02, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to American Idiot: The Original Broadway Cast Recording. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:30, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When It's Time

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Completely fails WP:GNG. My initial WP:BEFORE searches didn't turn up much except for mentions in announcements for the 30th anniversary edition of Dookie, and trivial name drops in reviews about the play itself. Charting once is not enough to demonstrate notability. It also doesn't help that there isn't a single reliable source in use in the article at present. I propose a redirect to American Idiot: The Original Broadway Cast Recording λ NegativeMP1 17:55, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect: I really love this song, but I unfortunately must agree with the nomination for the reasons listed. I also took a look for sources, and couldn't find anything in particular. This is a pretty big shame though, considering the song (or demos of it) has been released four times (Dookie's 30th anniversary, Nimrod's 25th, and in two versions on the cast recording). The only other alternative I can think of would be to hold until the release of the 20th anniversary re-release for American Idiot to see if anything is on the new documentary being made about the album's creation, but given that "When It's Time" isn't even on its tracklist, I think it's safe to call for the redirect as of now. Leafy46 (talk) 20:28, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion.

No improvements since its nomination so I'm closing this as a Soft Delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:45, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Media Five Entertainment

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Trash article WP:NCORP Polygnotus (talk) 02:59, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - There are major issues with the content, but judging based on notability alone there is nothing that meets WP:ORGCRIT. Even a search of Google Books only found mentions which are likely just ads placed by the company looking for clients. --CNMall41 (talk) 08:30, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is acknowledged that simple searches do not result in finding evidence of Media Five Entertainment's notability. However, we are in the process of doing research of primary documents- newspapers, magazines and television news of the eastern PA region- to evidence Media Five Entertainment's role in developing recording and performing artists.

In addition, it is understood as a fact in the professional music business that recording and performing artists simply do not "appear" and "perform" but that there is an entire industry of services and resources that help develop and support such artists. This is particularly true in popular music of the late 20th century.

I am not attempting to make claims of Media Five Entertainment that are not true but admit that we are doing the research necessary to make the page more credible. We are also attempting to follow style guidelines to ensure we meet the standards of a Wikipedia page.

We appreciate any and all "flags" and suggestions Wikipedia editors have made and will work to recitify them. Djarm18 (talk) 22:25, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NCORP explains what we need and why. If you have any questions, the WP:TEAHOUSE is a great place to get answers. Have a nice day, Polygnotus (talk) 05:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. I see a consensus to Keep the article. (non-admin closure) GrabUp - Talk 08:46, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oyinkansola "foza" Fawehinmi

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Sources are announcements, statements, interview and trivial mentions. Fails WP:GNG and all other relevant notability criteria. Ednabrenze (talk) 08:44, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep, Sources 1 and 10 talk about her book; while not reviews, they are in RS and go a bit in depth into her career. Those are about the best sources I can pull up as well. Oaktree b (talk) 19:18, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I am very okay with the current sources, some which provides SIGCOV in her works/career. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:06, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to List of programs broadcast by Imagine TV#Reality/non-scripted programming. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:27, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Junoon (2008 TV series)

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Clearly fails WP:GNG and WP:NTV. Article has zero source. M S Hassan 🤓☝🏻 10:12, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List_of_programs_broadcast_by_Imagine_TV#Reality/non-scripted_programming: or to Annu Kapoor -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:14, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Andy Duguid. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:32, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On the Edge (Andy Duguid album)

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Fails WP:NALBUM DonaldD23 talk to me 23:38, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I didn't find any coverage or reviews in reliable sources. I'm not sure if Andy Duguid himself is even notable. toweli (talk) 02:27, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(I'm not opposed to a redirect.) toweli (talk) 17:51, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Can someone please enlighten me why articles need to be deleted in the first place? This is a 4KB article with fewer than 40 edits containing a 89KB work of art. Will WP become better-off without it? Speaking of this "notability" principle: media normally ignores less known artists, thus even the best/better albums in terms of music, style, arrangement, etc. may be ignored completely because their artists are not promoted enough. WP contains a ton of info on Calvin Harris whose music is absolutely bland electronic beats with no soul, finesse, nothing and who is going to be completely forgotten 10 years from now. Yet, "notable", right? There are literally hundreds of thousands of article in need of improvement and you're chasing articles to delete? Whoa. Artem S. Tashkinov (talk) 09:49, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your requested explanation: Deleting articles about things that don't qualify for them is longstanding Wikipedia policy that the user community has developed for years and years. See WP:NALBUM for this debate and WP:N for general principles. For Calvin Harris, see WP:OTHERSTUFF. For other articles that need improvement, this is a volunteer community waiting for someone like you to improve them. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:00, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Andy Duguid: found zero evidence of notability. Redirecting to artist is standard if the artist has an article, and if said artist is also non-notable as toweli suggests then it can be challenged in a separate AfD. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 16:22, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Andy Duguid - I can find no professional reviews or other specific coverage about the album in the reliable music media. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:02, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: WP:NOTDATABASE: “Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information”, it should not be a discography database such as Discogs, Musicbrainz, etc. WP:GNG should always be followed. When the album doesn’t meet the required notability, it shouldn’t have a standalone page. No significant coverage of the album by reliable independent sources could be found. Nihonjinatny (talk) 09:01, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to the page of the albums creator Andy Duguid; I see no reason, and cannot find sufficient evidence, this album needs a standalone article. ResonantDis_tortion 19:03, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Andy Duguid. I can't find any notability for this album. Galaxybeing (talk) 03:46, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Andy Duguid. — MaxnaCarta ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:13, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 16:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

USP Digital

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Non-notable content creation company per WP:CORP and WP:GNG. Article is obviously UPE, REFBOMB'd almost entirely by press releases. The award from the John Lennon competition looks like it might be notable, but there's no mention of the company in the sources cited. The "International Songwriting Competition" appears to be a paid award, and again no mention of the company. A WP:BEFORE search turned up no coverage in reliable secondary sources. Borderline speedy A7/G11. Wikishovel (talk) 14:27, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Page fails WP:NCORP. Looks like promotional article with mostly unreliable sources and some others paid promotions and advertisement. This article does not have any beneficial contribution and does not warrant significant notability. RangersRus (talk) 15:58, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Not enough coverage in secondary sources. Fail to meet WP:NCORP. Priscilladfb16 (talk) 05:19, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to My-HiME. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 02:43, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My-HiME soundtracks

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Fails WP:NALBUMS DonaldD23 talk to me 01:37, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete searches in English and Japanese (for which I searched up the Japanese name of the anime + Japanese word for "soundtrack") brought up nothing Mach61 13:21, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this article doesn't seem to add any value to the encyclopedia and is not sourced. Bensci54 (talk) 16:46, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to My-HiME as ATD. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:46, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Withdrawn after discovery of GNG-passing sources. (non-admin closure) ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 14:23, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Viva Van

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Article deleted by consensus last month; G4 Speedy contested. Additional sources added by contester still don't appear to meet GNG as they are either results/routine coverage or interviews with the subject. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 21:14, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Withdraw per sourcing found by KatoKungLee on September 15. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 02:22, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Viva Van is currently active with AEW/ROH, the previous discussion was relisted however it was deleted before any additional discussion could take place, I've added an article from the Miami Herald, as well as several Fightful Select, Post Wrestling etc. links which we use on several pages concerning independent wrestlers. I think her role in the CMLL Women's championship match against Willow Nightingale is a good example of notability. Thief-River-Faller (talk) 21:19, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:59C0:5620:58ED:634F:B3D5:5673 (talk) 21:58, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ : Same reasoning as my !vote a month or so ago, just not enough to show notability. Match reports are about all that come up. Oaktree b (talk) 00:33, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Creator of the article here, my reasoning is similar to that of Thief-River-Faller. She makes recurring appearances in AEW/ROH (even if only as an "enhancement talent"), and has made appearances for both of Mexico's main promotions, AAA (appearing at their main event of the year, Triplemanía, in 2023) and CMLL (the aforementioned women's championship match involving Willow Nightingale), and as a result has been subject of articles from mainstream publications such as the Miami Herald. EdgarCabreraFariña (talk) 11:29, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I've added more sources to the article where she is the primary topic. One source is Pro Wrestling Illustrated, which is a generally reliable source on WikiProject Pro Wrestling's list of sources, as well as an interview conducted by Denise Salcedo. Salcedo is an employee of Wrestling Observer Newsletter and Fightful, both of which are considered reliable sources by the aforementioned list. These new sources, in addition to sources already in the article, help her clear WP:SIGCOV criteria. CeltBrowne (talk) 21:11, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Interviews of the subject cannot be used to meet WP:GNG due to not being independent of the subject. Both of the sources you added were interviews with the subject. I'm still not seeing anything in the article which indicates the subject has met GNG in the month since the last article was deleted (which, if this is kept, should be undeleted and attributed to, since I don't think there was much different). ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 21:44, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment As I pointed, my main concern is the sources. Wrestlers need reliable sources focusing on them. Most of the article is just WP:RESULTS, that means, reports about TV shows where she worked, but the report is not about her. We can use Cagematch and create articles for every wrestler on the planet, that's why we need to include sources about the wrestler. For example, AEW section has 5 sources, 4 of them, WP:RESULTS. ROH section has 1 source, which is WP:RESULTS (Her ROH career isn't notable). Impact Wrestling has one source, WP:RESULTS. Almost every match on the Independent Circuit it's WP:RESULTS (I don't get why her work with Hoodslam it's relevant at all). We can't just take matches from famous promotions to create an article. On the other side, it's fine to read articles from Denice or Miami Herald about her. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 11:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the Denice interview has too little secondary context to base a BLP article off of it, especially so since in this instance it's published on The Sportster which is redlisted at WP:RS/PS#Valnet and specifically listed as unreliable at WP:PW/RS. The PWI interview is literally just the raw interview on YouTube. Even if we count Miami Herald, that's still one source. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 16:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - Here is an SA table:

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table:
https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/mariah-may-vs-viva-van-added-87-aew-dynamite	Third-party industry press	WP:PW/RS; Personal opinions of Sean Ross Sapp aside, consensus is that Fightful is reliable	strictly WP:ROUTINE coverage of a booking.	✘ No
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/fighting/article277229318.html		Mainstream broadsheet paper/online; owned by McClatchy	I have to skim between hitting refresh here because they won't take my Canadian address to remove the paywall, but this does appear to contain SIGCOV in a bio	✔ Yes
https://wrestletalk.com/news/aew-dynamite-debut-announced-viva-van/		WP:PW/RS; WP:TERTIARY gossip website with no editorial structure posted on the website	WP:ROUTINE	✘ No
https://www.thesportster.com/viva-van-women-wrestler-interview-career/	This is based on an interview with the subject	The Sportster is redlisted due to ownership by Valnet (WP:RS/PS#Valnet) and is also specifically listed as unreliable at WP:PW/RS	~ Too little secondary context to base a BLP article on the English Wikipedia.	✘ No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVVC9Phfx1s&ab_channel=ProWrestlingIllustrated	A direct upload of an interview with the subject	~ PWI is listed as reliable at WP:PW/RS, but this is a direct upload to YouTube of an apparently unedited video	Purely an interview on YouTube.	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Miami Herald makes one GNG-compliant source out of what has been added since the article was recreated. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 17:09, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - She has Sigcov and she's currently an active wrestler for AEW, ROH, TJPW and NJPW. There's really no point in deleting this with her currently being active as the second she wins another title, gets injured, gets signed somewhere, retires or dies, there will be more coverage on her. There's also some more coverage if you search her name in Japanese (ビバ・バン). She likely also got a profile in the プロレスカラー選手名鑑2023 (it has a profile on every wrestler who wrestled down to very small indy levels in Japan in 2023), which would be another independent source. KatoKungLee (talk) 01:47, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Multiple issues here:

1) As I've shown above, we only have significant coverage from Miami Herald, and that's not enough to meet GNG for any topic, let alone a biography of a living person.

2) Notability is not inherited from the organizations one works for.

3) "...as the second she wins another title, gets injured, gets signed somewhere, retires or dies, there will be more coverage on her." Yes, that is why we have a guideline on routine coverage. "Dog bites man" or, in this case, "Wrestler does [thing] wrestling" is not significant coverage.

4) If there are Japanese sources, please present them. It is not up to non-Japanese speakers to search for Japanese sources, especially offline sources, for use in the English Wikipedia. Again, BLPs have higher standards that other articles and therefore we must have concrete evidence that sources exist. Attestations aren't enough.

5) Databases or catalogs do not have significant coverage. If we counted those sources towards GNG, then we would become a database, which we are not. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 04:27, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If coverage when a wrestler does anything or retires was not allowed, there would be no articles on any living wrestler on this website, yet alone anyone else. I can't say I agree with your interpretations of various guidelines.

There's a very big difference between working a local promotion and the second biggest promotion in the world, which AEW is. There's virtually no full-time roster members from any of the top promotions that do not have wikipedia articles while there's very few small local indy wrestler who have profiles. No, not every person who makes a cameo on AEW is notable, but being featured on AEW is a lot different than being featured in a local indy.

All sources of information, whether English or non-English, should be looked at when discussing articles. There are no deadlines. KatoKungLee (talk) 00:09, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not that "coverage of a wrestler doing anything or retires" isn't allowed, it's that it doesn't count for our notability guidelines. Just because a source isn't good enough to lift an article subject to the GNG threshold, doesn't mean that we can't use the source in the article at all.

And yes, I agree that non-English sources should be looked at with equal weight as English ones, but people who don't speak a non-English language shouldn't be burdened with having to find sources in that language; rather, those who have the ability to understand those sources are encouraged to present them. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 02:18, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Answering Kato, that's why sources have to be focused on the wrestler, not ROUTINE results. AEW uses a lot of talent for Dark, Elevation, Collision and ROH. We can't create articles just because wrestlers appears as jobbers on television. Just a few days ago, Collision included Lord Crewe and Ren Jones. Rampage included BEEF. If the wrestler is notable, there will be sources focusing around him/her.
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Comment' Agree with Ghost. Even if she works, there are barely no sources focusing on HER. WP:ROUTINE states "News coverage of such things as announcements are not sufficient basis for an article. Planned coverage of scheduled events, especially when those involved in the event are also promoting it, is considered to be routine.[4] Wedding announcements, sports scores, crime logs," Almost every part of the article it's just coverage from the events with no focus on her. Her Impact match, Routine. AAA matches, ROUTINE. Her AEW/ROH work, ROUTINE. It's not just take routine results and create an article. Sources focusing around her proves what part of her career are notable, no handpick the events ourselves based on our criteria. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 07:58, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you read the article, it's just a collection of random matches. Looks like it's just an effort to include every match she had under promotions with articles. "Van made her Hoodslam debut in January 2019 in a match against Lady K.[14] She returned on March 8, 2019, with Shakira Spears, to face Trish Adora and Heather Monroe.[15] On May 10, 2019, Van teamed with Rob Hands to wrestle a handicap match in a losing effort against Da Squaaad. (No proof her Hoodslam work is notable, no proof her match against Da Squaad is notable.) In June 2019, Van teamed with MVP to defeat Da Squad. (again, no proof this match is notable) In 2020, Hoodslam's women's division, GLAM!, announced a tournament for the division's new Women's Championship, in which Van made it to the semi-finals by defeating Gia Roman[18] and Danika Della Rouge,[19] before subsequently losing to Lady K. (no proof why these matches are notable. Please, it's an independent tournament not supported by sources)". "Van made her debut for All Elite Wrestling on the July 6, 2021 episode of Dark, being defeated by Kris Statlander. (No proof of this match being a key point of her carrer). Van returned to AEW on the October 24 episode of Dark, where she was defeated by former AEW Women's World Champion Nyla Rose. (No proof of this match being a key point of her carrer) On the January 9, 2023, episode of AEW Dark: Elevation Van faced ROH Women's World Champion Athena but was unsuccessful. (No proof of this match being a key point of her carrer) On the May 31, 2024 episode of Rampage, Van faced off against AEW Women's World Champion Toni Storm in a losing effort. (No proof of this match being a key point of her carrer) On the August 7, 2024 episode of Dynamite, Van made her Dynamite debut facing off against Storm's former protégé Mariah May, in a losing effort. (No proof of this match being a key point of her carrer)" The AEW work it's based on WP:ROUTINE, no focusing on her or prooving these matches are important. Just prooves that she worked with bigger names as a jobber, but Notability is not inherited from the organizations one works for or the rivals she had. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 08:11, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Slamwrestling's article on Viva also appears to be a decent source. It can be found here. There's also another good article on here from Fightful listed here. KatoKungLee (talk) 00:17, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These are both far better sources, actually. Thank you for finding them. I'll happily withdraw and I'll ping @Oaktree b: with an encouragement to strike their delete !vote since we have three GNG-compliant sources presented now. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 02:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, those are listed in the acceptable sources list per Project Wrestling. They should be counted as RS. I'll amend my !vote. Oaktree b (talk) 13:45, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Ghost. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 12:28, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the new sources identified above. Should be ok. Oaktree b (talk) 13:47, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Gemma Hayes. This action can be reverted after this album is released if it turns out to meet our album notability standards. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:29, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blind Faith (Gemma Hayes album)

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Only one news article present on the article, so fails WP:NALBUMS, and a Google search result reveals nothing else aside from maybe one short blog news piece on a site called GoldenPlec. I am nominating this for redirection to Gemma Hayes' main article as I redirected it several weeks ago but an editor restored it. Ss112 00:29, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge, seems like given its size it would fit well in the Gemma Hayes article. Plus the available context would be better. Mrfoogles (talk) 03:07, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify or delete. Far WP:TOOSOON. Subject album hasn't even been released yet. Not to mind being the subject of significant coverage. This article appears to have been created (on 16 Jul 2024) a week before the album's launch was even publicly announced/covered (on 22 Jul 2024?). That we are reliant on listings in eCommerce websites (Amazon, goldendiscs.ie, etc) to support even the basic facts is kinda telling. If/when the subject album has actually been released (and reviewed or charted - to the extent that WP:NALBUM can be established) then the article can be recreated. Or the draft moved. Perhaps to be a redirect. As proposed above. Guliolopez (talk) 11:18, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Mukhtar Dadashov#Filmography. Star Mississippi 00:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Evening Concert

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Simply fails WP:NFILM. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:32, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Mukhtar Dadashov: (director). -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 23:34, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Destra Corporation

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Basically per WP:WEBHOST. This article has been tagged as possibly having been "created or edited in return for undisclosed payments, a violation of Wikipedia's terms of use" for over seven years with no resolution of that tag. Notable or not, Wikipedia should not maintain content that violates its terms of use for such a length of time. BD2412 T 02:52, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The article is neutrally written and the company passes Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria. I see no evidence that it was "created or edited in return for undisclosed payments, a violation of Wikipedia's terms of use". It is unlikely that the article was created or edited in return for payment as it looked like this (a small stub) in 2008 when it was placed in administration. Cunard (talk) 07:16, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An interesting point. @Doc James: as the editor who added the UPE tag, what was your basis for doing so? BD2412 T 18:07, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here [8] and concerns with this editor.[9] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:20, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The company pass WP:SIGCOV and it was written from a neutral point of view, one of the core principle of Wikipedia Tesleemah (talk) 10:16, 19 August 2024
Keep. The tag can probably be removed, I don't see any COI issues. May have started off that way but it has no issues now IMO. PARAKANYAA (talk) 16:54, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: There is a consensus to Keep this article but the nominator brings up serious concerns that I don't think have been addressed. I guess the question is, if an article started as a possible paid editing project how long is that stigma retained? Does it remain even after regular editors have contributed to the content creation?
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Comment: I reviewed Doc James' links. I could not access the first one, Special:Undelete/Domenic Carosa. I accessed the second one, User talk:Miseauxnormes and found a lot of deletion notices. Based on these links, I still do not see evidence that these editors had a conflict of interest with Destra Corporation. It will need to be explained more clearly to me.
Even if those editors had a conflict of interest with the subject, the article was created by the established editor Lester (talk · contribs) who no one has accused of having a conflict of interest with the subject. There is no support in policy or precedent for deleting an article created by an established editor with no conflict of interest with the subject after some editors who are said have a conflict of interest with the subject contributed to that article.
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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nicole and Natalie

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Fails WP:NALBUM DonaldD23 talk to me 02:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Leaning keep. In the span of a few minutes, I was able to find reviews from Pitchfork and Fact (UK magazine) ([10], [11]). And there are probably more reviews than that, might look later. toweli (talk) 02:43, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but Clean Up - The article needs to be improved by adding sources and removing a lot of fancruft, but it received a few reliable reviews in Pitchfork (found by previous voter) and occasional hip-hop publications (e.g. [12]). ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 18:32, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: here's the pitchfork review mentioned [13], I'll assume the other review mentioned is fine as well. I think we have notability Oaktree b (talk) 16:42, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, it wouldn't load, but I see it does now, both look fine to me. Oaktree b (talk) 16:43, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 13:25, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Festival de Guitarra de Barcelona

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Marked for notability concerns since Feb 2024. Nothing in google news search, and 1 line mentions in google books search. Fails GNG. LibStar (talk) 01:04, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Una aventura llamada Menudo. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:28, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dame Un Beso (Menudo song)

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Song has no claim of notability. Notability tag has twice been removed without any expansion to the article. Not included on the group's discography page, with its only mention as part of the track listing for the soundtrack to Una aventura llamada Menudo, which at best is a redirect target. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 21:42, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I can't lie, I agree with Jeanette, the film was very popular from the Menudo fans back in the early 80s, so the fact you had to say Una Aventura Llamada Menudo page was "at best a redirect target", is insane. I vote keep. Bottleboy04 (talk) 22:38, 12 August 2024 (UTC)SOCKStar Mississippi 01:37, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question - How is the Una Aventura Llamada Menudo page "at best a redirect target"? That film was seen all over Latin America and was popular among Menudo fans...also, I vote keep. Jeanette Dame tu un Beso a Mi Martin Loser's page, 22:09, 12 August, 2024 (UTC)
Note This AfD is for the song not the film. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 23:59, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note The nominator's user page has been deleted. Furthermore, a person with a similar name put a notability tag on Menudo's Sube a mi Motora's song's article, and that user's page was also deleted. I think under those circumstances, we should close this nomination as a keep? Jeanette Tu me Amas baby I know you love me, baby! Martin Loser's page, 00:16, 13 August, 2024 (UTC)

@JeanetteMartin:, I’m confused why you mention the nom's lack of a user page. They are not blocked, being blocked doesn't remove your user page (usually), they simply do not want a user page. Mach61 08:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JeanetteMartin there are no grounds for a procedural keep as no user page is required. Please also read WP:SIG and consider some adjustments to make communicating with you easier. Star Mississippi 01:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect Non-notable song. No Sigcov. Whilst the film may be notable, notability is not inherited so this is irrelevant to this discussion. John B123 (talk) 11:34, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Una_aventura_llamada_Menudo#Soundtrack per nom. Mach61 13:29, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as suggested. I search under several iterations but found nothing that shows this single charted. Bearian (talk) 02:43, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:28, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Totalitär

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:NBAND. Some mentions in Swedish newspaper archives but no significant coverage. AlexandraAVX (talk) 17:44, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Indeed, no significant coverage to demonstrate notability. Prof.PMarini (talk) 10:03, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. They seem to have had some clout, but I really can't find any coverage of them in RS. At most they are listed off as a member of the crust punk scene readers may have heard of ("bands like foo, Totalitär, bar") Mach61 14:14, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 03:47, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Psycho Tour

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Does not meet the guidelines for WP:NTOUR. Redirect removed twice by IP so here we are. Coverage I find is all churnalism based on the recent announcement. CNMall41 (talk) 22:34, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't believe this should be deleted. There are other tours like this that have articles with one or two sources and they still remain. We're talking about a tour here, not a whole article. This will be starting in almost two months and more sources will definitely be added. You could tell me what other information I can include and I'll be able to do it. Thank you! 64.189.246.115 (talk) 03:16, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify (second option Delete). Nothing sources that meet WP:NTOUR that I can search; the IP's WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument fials to convince me. But it may be notable in the future. Mach61 23:04, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: There could not be any significant, in-depth coverage, per WP:GNG, for a tour not yet happened. The topic fails WP:NTOUR, and the article violates WP:NOTPROMO. Nihonjinatny (talk) 20:38, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails WP:NTOUR. LibStar (talk) 04:02, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No notability established. Binksternet (talk) 01:35, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Limited participation and no agreement after two relists. RL0919 (talk) 10:55, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Drum Corps International World Championship finalists

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I don’t know what to make of this. WP:NOTADATABASE. Hodgepodge of unsourced statistics. MOS:ACCESS violations that I don’t even know how to begin to address. Bgsu98 (Talk) 08:55, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Support per nom. -- Urban Versis 32^KB ⚡ ^{(talk / contribs)} 00:30, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:58, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep: The first analogy that came to mind with this article, a list of finalists in a competition with more than two finalists each tournament, was the College World Series, the finals of the NCAA baseball tournament, which features 8 teams. Indeed, there is a comprehensive list of finalists there at the Teams reaching the finals section. So by analogy, this should also stay. Mach61 22:14, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: While I would prefer to keep it since I find it useful as an avid fan of drum corps, there is also not a strong precedent to keep. However, MOS:ACCESS is not a reason to delete, and there are plenty of sources out there that can be used to verify the finalists. (Finals, up until the mid-2000s, were covered by several national newspapers; I would add some, but Newspapers.com is down). Thus as it stands, the deletion rationale is pretty weak. Why? I Ask (talk) 00:41, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My reference to MOS:ACCESS is that I wouldn't know how to begin addressing the violations with this article, but if we end up keeping it, I'll find something. Bgsu98 (Talk) 01:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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